tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post3860685647044626454..comments2023-10-28T04:38:36.290-07:00Comments on Food for Founder: Feet for FunderUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-89182299075799791822009-01-15T23:33:00.000-08:002009-01-15T23:33:00.000-08:00Well, I guess I feel the same way when people say ...Well, I guess I feel the same way when people say things about me saving the twins. When you have to do it, you somehow get it done. But it's still hard and worrisome, not to mention a huge responsibility.<BR/><BR/>The post I did on the mare was more on what caused her founder than her treatment. Here is the link. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://risingrainbow.blogspot.com/2007/02/arabian-mares-tragic-death-due-to.html" REL="nofollow">An Arabian Mare's Death Due to the Halter Division's Dirty Little Secret.</A><BR/><BR/>I don't know that I mentioned in the post that her coffin bone had severly rotated but it wasn't poked through the bottom of her foot.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-86325764047924712852009-01-15T22:39:00.000-08:002009-01-15T22:39:00.000-08:00Thanks RR, but it hasn't been that onerous. Once ...Thanks RR, but it hasn't been that onerous. Once you are set up for founder rehab and you have the diet sorted out (assuming it's a metabolic founder) you basically just sit back and let the horse heal. The biggest challenge is pasture turnout -- timing it correctly and making sure that Tonka is wearing a grazing muzzle when necessary. It's like most challenges in life -- they seem challenging until you get into the groove.<BR/><BR/>Can you point me to the link for the foundered mare?dphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03072031429438530210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-80769490041667935912009-01-15T20:20:00.000-08:002009-01-15T20:20:00.000-08:00Thanks for that explanation. That's the first time...Thanks for that explanation. That's the first time I've heard anything about laminar connection that holds the coffin bone to the hoof. A failure like that makes perfect sense. Looking at laminae inside the hoof wall and the location of the coffin bone, it just didn't make sense to me. <BR/><BR/>I have only seen one foundered horse. A beautiful mare I posted about on my blog a while back. She was on my farm for a day or two before she was taken to my friend who tried to rehab her, because the owner couldn't. That short time seemed like forever. I felt like I had the weight of the world on my shoulders. I can't even imagine what it must be like to have to deal with one of my horses with founder. You have great respect from me for this one, I can tell you.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-24215483648205317042009-01-15T20:05:00.000-08:002009-01-15T20:05:00.000-08:00I still yell "twine it, twine it" to myself in my ...I still yell "twine it, twine it" to myself in my head when applicable. <BR/><BR/>For any confused comment readers: this is a friend with whom I worked for many years. I am thrilled that she dropped by for a visit.dphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03072031429438530210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-87457236665808286392009-01-15T20:01:00.000-08:002009-01-15T20:01:00.000-08:00Even Sparky and Teddy would approve. I'm thinking...Even Sparky and Teddy would approve. I'm thinking we throw down a few more wood chips and twine it, twine it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-47884362552952915672009-01-15T20:00:00.000-08:002009-01-15T20:00:00.000-08:00RR: I promise that you will learn FAST if you are ...RR: I promise that you will learn FAST if you are ever faced with founder, but I'm knocking on wood for you.<BR/><BR/>Very basically there is a laminar connection that holds the coffin bone to the hoof capsule, and vice versa. When this connection fails (due to inflammation and death of the tissue, which can be brought on by many different things) the elastic branches of the deep digital flexor (which are always exerting pull on the coffin bone) can work the bone from the capsule, causing that tell-tale rotation of the P3. With more catastrophic failure the coffin bone has no support from the hoof capsule and it will also drop inside of the hoof. In the most severe cases the bone will rotate and drop right through the sole, and the hoof capsule can slough off completely because its entire connection to the rest of the horse is dead.dphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03072031429438530210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-72672322274752085982009-01-15T19:43:00.000-08:002009-01-15T19:43:00.000-08:00I just do not understand founder like I would like...I just do not understand founder like I would like. I don't know if it's because I haven't had to deal with it first hand (knock on wood), or if I am just dense in this department. There is so much to learn. <BR/><BR/>I have seen x-rays of a rotated coffin bone but I'm not sure that I grasp the bio-mechanics of how that actually happens.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-7364197823297614402009-01-14T18:08:00.000-08:002009-01-14T18:08:00.000-08:00I've never been very good at deciphering hoof prob...I've never been very good at deciphering hoof problems. Did you understand everything before you got horses with hoof problems? Or did you take a crash course after they arrived?<BR/>I'm really impressed at how far along the hooves have come, though. You've been so dedicated in making it happen, for sure.<BR/><BR/>I hope there is even more improvement over the next year.<BR/><BR/>~Lisa<BR/>aka~ Rapunzle<BR/><BR/>(word veri: "obeame"=Obama's nickname.Laughing Orca Ranchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562627840013868980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-10287731931656386082009-01-14T09:46:00.000-08:002009-01-14T09:46:00.000-08:00Ha..just read Serena's comment...it did me too til...Ha..just read Serena's comment...it did me too till I looked closer! I almost made Wa move her feet for the Cavalletti pic of how she banged them up= as she looked cow hocked...but is not!<BR/>KKallhorsestuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301081722884351021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-5991127647752981982009-01-14T09:44:00.000-08:002009-01-14T09:44:00.000-08:00Wow...gotta catch up...the header pic made me go o...Wow...gotta catch up...the header pic made me go oh! it must be explained in a back post.<BR/>Raven's hooves are tiny, like Wa's!<BR/>Wa's are a bit tender for all the mush lately...and her gravel underlayment slid...I am so dissappointed with that investment+ the owner has "claimed" the best spot for herself now thta Pantz left and has not paid mefor materials.(though said she would) I may not pay lease next mo for the payment...having some Drama-trauma right now with them.I wish I had my horse with me at home like you do DP!<BR/>Thanks for the pictorial on the yours!You do great work making sure they are sound.<BR/>KKallhorsestuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301081722884351021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-45259494053690768052009-01-14T09:08:00.000-08:002009-01-14T09:08:00.000-08:00The picture of Raven's feet scared the heck out of...The picture of Raven's feet scared the heck out of me! I had to look really closely to see how you put the two photos together . . .Serenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050205666743076866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-25837378081778952072009-01-14T08:58:00.000-08:002009-01-14T08:58:00.000-08:00Nice! I wish I knew more about hooves. Our farri...Nice! I wish I knew more about hooves. Our farrier is also the assistant trainer at our barn so Casey gets his mani-pedi on time, exactly when he needs it. Maybe I'll go hang out and bug the farrier some so I can learn/relearn somethings.<BR/><BR/>In response to your comment on my site (and I do respond to comments there), that's Charlie with Kitty. He was pre-Casey and turned out to be not a nice horse and not a good fit for us. We called him the Giant Flaming Jackass, as he bit EVERYBODY.<BR/><BR/>idorati- a group of Italians that adore and idolize someoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-1160703235658156002009-01-14T07:02:00.000-08:002009-01-14T07:02:00.000-08:00those hooves are looking so much better!!! you mus...those hooves are looking so much better!!! you must feel a lot of pride when you see how far they have come :)<BR/><BR/>also, about the rib bones for jack's teeth...frozen or thawed?adkjennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01570112775146891016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-88051714329907736822009-01-14T06:50:00.000-08:002009-01-14T06:50:00.000-08:00Yay feet! Those are some truly beautiful feet. I...Yay feet! Those are some truly beautiful feet. I'd never look at Tonka's feet and think he'd foundered - really good work by you and Christina. And Raven's feet are lovely too, not at all splatted like TB feet usually are. Thanks!Funderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358687366401205336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-23488539029065438632009-01-14T06:11:00.000-08:002009-01-14T06:11:00.000-08:00I don't know, girl, but it seems like Raven REALLY...I don't know, girl, but it seems like Raven REALLY toes out is that "one" photo of her fronts! ;-D<BR/><BR/>Congrates on your anniversary: seems like a long time, and seems like just yesterday, right? In spite of the scary moments, it's all worth it! Here's to decades more equine adventures (plus a front loader in the near future).<BR/><BR/>coquesse = the attribute of flirtinessEvenSonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02032555334605790413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8889412391658819379.post-3214644459181628092009-01-14T00:43:00.000-08:002009-01-14T00:43:00.000-08:00Those are some NICE looking toes, I must say!It am...Those are some NICE looking toes, I must say!<BR/><BR/>It amazes me. People like you and Stace make it look so easy! Pay attention to getting the appropriate feed, get the mani-pedis done regularly and well, groom, clean, train, ride. If these things are hard for you to figure out, ya prolly shouldn't have real live horses! But somehow these big angels fall into ignorant and uncaring hands. Then Fugly has to step in, and YIKES! No sane person would want that!<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that sole and frog look waaay better than the photo here, I can nearly smell it still! <BR/><BR/>Wearing boots is a fashion statement that Raven can totally pull off in any season! She's so happy and healthy now!<BR/><BR/>Happy anniversary with Tonka, and many thanks to that amazing man in your life!Brandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16030144097656677108noreply@blogger.com